We consider the birth of ‘And also the trees’ to be our first live performance which was on January 12th 1980 in Alcester, Warwickshire. We gave ourselves our awkward name in November 1979 after I repeated the words ‘And also the trees’ at the end of a song. We decided to give the song that title and then, later, the band. I’m not sure who wrote the words, it was either Nick or I… I think it was Nick. He was our drummer, younger brother of Graham on bass. The Havas brothers. My brother Justin was, and still is of course, the guitarist. We spent a lot of time together, at each others houses or just wondering around the countryside. This is a picture I took of them before we thought of forming a band.